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Currently theirs a lot of scholarly sources rejecting Chandraguptas conversion to Jainism.Should this be listed on infobox.I think a Rfc is necessary here.Edasf (talk)16:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the current situation, with the health warnings is probably fine. I wouldn't be opposed to removing the religion field from the infobox altogether. I probably would be opposed to just stating "Brahmanical religion" and saying nothing about Jainism in the infobox, since that would seem to be picking a particular position on an issue that seems to be subject to some dispute. Furius (talk) 23:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had a quick look, and it seems that the main part of the article was copied from a similar section at Chandragupta Maurya last month. The article has four paragraphs, of which only the first (the lead) and last (tying it to future events) are new; the copied material has only been lightly edited, by splitting it into two paragraphs and inserting one brief clause. There is also a military conflict infobox, though it contains nothing that is not already clearly stated in the short article, and the not terribly helpful map of satrapies in the region (it focuses on who the governors were, but doesn't clearly name the satrapies or show their relationship to the Indus, which seems important), also from Chandragupta Maurya.
That said, there may be enough material available to expand this article beyond what would be worth merging back into Chandragupta Maurya. But the author does not seem to have expanded it, and showed little intention of doing so after copying it over; the first and last paragraphs merely provide context that wasn't necessary in the parent article, and summarize the article in a style that seems designed to justify the infobox, which in turn is more of a disinformation box: it promises to be helpful, but merely repeats a handful of key points from a brief article—nearly all of them in the lead paragraph, which itself is largely a summary of the copied material. The copied material could be rewritten to avoid the attribution issue; the correct way to split them off would have been to indicate in the edit summary creating the article that they were being split off from Chandragupta Maurya.
Overall, this article appears to have the potential for improvement, but I can see no indication that the original author means to expand or rewrite it to the degree necessary to justify it as a stand-alone article. I think it may be premature to call it a coatrack, but it would need considerable work to be worth keeping. Merging it back into its source may be appropriate, although I don't see anything that isn't already covered there; the lead and ending summary would seem redundant, and include no new sources; the rest is nearly identical with what is already in the parent article. However, since the article was created recently, and the creator objected to this being turned into a redirect right before this discussion, perhaps we should hear what he/she has to say about potentially expanding and improving upon it before, in essence, deleting it. P Aculeius (talk) 14:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm alright with holding off on anything for now, but looking at your edits so far, I think you may have bitten off more than you can chew. They're really quite minimal, and seem to consist mostly of word substitutions and the deletion of snippets here and there, along with the addition of two sentences, one of which is completely redundant following the lead, while the other lacks any source. In order to deal with unattributed borrowing of someone else's writing, you would need to rewrite the text entirely, even if you're citing the same sources. That is, you basically need to start from scratch, though you can keep the sources that are there.
But you also need to show that there is a lot more to say about this topic—enough that it can't comfortably be a section or subsection of the parent article. That means going into greater detail about what was done by whom, how and when it happened, or why these details are important. If all of your sources say pretty much the same thing—what's currently in the article, and nothing more, then it can't really be expanded. If you have some sources that go into significantly more detail, then you may be possible to save this. I can't speak for other editors, but I'm willing to wait a couple of weeks to see whether you're able to turn it into an article that's clearly substantial enough not to be a candidate for merging. But if you can't find much that's new or significant, you might just want to admit that, and move on to some other topic that you can really expand on. Good luck! P Aculeius (talk) 18:00, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
India, after the death of Alexander, had assassinated his prefects, as if shaking the burden of servitude. The author of this liberation was Sandracottos [Chandragupta], but he had transformed liberation in servitude after victory, since, after taking the throne, he himself oppressed the very people he has liberated from foreign domination.
That's all there is; Justin doesn't say that Chandragupta conquered the eastern Indus valley. The only reason to have a separate article is to glorify Chandragupta as much as possible. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk!19:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how that can be "all there is", as the corresponding section under Chandragupta is already several times that long and cites several other sources. Perhaps they are "all there is", in which case this article can be safely folded back into it. But the discussion process seems to have been short-circuited as one of the participants here has already carried out the merger and changed the article under discussion into a redirect (for the second time). This appears to be an edit war, and I don't wish to participate in it. P Aculeius (talk) 14:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Edasf: we can repeat the same discussions, but Herat was ceertainly not held by Chandragupta, and western Gedrosia is highly questionable. So don't revert to maps which are clearly wrong. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk!09:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kandahar was definitely under Mauryas as by Ashokan inscription there.Correct your map first and I see about Gdrosia only by an outdated source of Tarn.Also, include Gujarat in your map over which Chandraguptas control is attested by both Ashokan and Rudraman inscriptions.@Joshua JonathanEdasf«Talk»09:44, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think @Edasf did raise some valid points, though: Gujarat came to be held by Chandragupta is corroborated by the construction of Sudarshana Lake by the governor under him there. Also, the ceding of Kandahar to Chandragupta is widely accepted in the current scholarship, it seems (and is much less doubtful than Aria or western Gedrosia). So one other map option would be to extract the "303 BCE" frame from this animated GIF which I had created a while ago, based almost directly on Schwarzberg's Atlas (I made some corrections at the western border from to Herat to Gedrosia), or this version of it modified with holes. -Avantiputra7 (talk) 10:01, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I extracted "my" map from the map preferred by Edasf, which also doesn't include Gujarat. And Kandahar is included in my map, which also gives the maximalist interpretation. But the GIF would be fine for me too, with my caption. Meanwhile, I have further adjusted "my" maprJoshua Jonathan - Let's talk!10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Joshua Jonathan Your map and gif map are quit different about Gujarat definitely it needs inclusion and this map isnt OK maybe you didnt notice but borders are going till Tajikistan.I request you do a self RV for now.And your caption doesnt fits with etracted gif map. Edasf«Talk»10:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the map now is ok as is, except the northern border can be reduced slightly as Edasf said. Although if my gif is preferred I can come back and extract the frame in a couple of hours (have to step away right now). -Avantiputra7 (talk) 10:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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