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Was Napoleon really crowned as King of Italy on May 23, 1805 ? Both the Napoleon I of France page and the King of Italy page say May 26. Can someone familiar with this confirm the date and fix things accordingly, please ? Thank. -- PFHLai 14:20, 2005 May 15 (UTC)

"Its small size and hinged construction ..." -- so, how big is it? -- Securiger 11:00, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

the external diameter varies between 16,5 cm and 17,2 cm, and the internal circumference is of 48 cm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.6.224.138 (talk) 10:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so can we correct the article to reflect this? Or find its current measurements and add them? It's sounds weird to keep referring to its small size and never give its size.69.42.41.139 (talk) 03:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)HistoryLunatic[reply]

48cm is not merely "small", it's toy sized. Less than toy sized; it's too small to fit children old enough to play with toys. By way of comparison, contemporary hat sizes are XXL=64cm, XL=62cm, L=60cm, M=58cm, S=54cm and XS=52cm. 48cm is not even contemplated. Even children's hat sizes dont get that small: child's L=54cm, M=52 and S=50. Children's Small is typically used by children 4-6 years old, so the crown would only be suitable for infants 2-4 years old, if that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.233.15 (talk) 21:12, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

pic

Does anyone have a good idea of where to get a color picture of the crown? The current b/w picture makes the crown look like it is primarily iron, while the description says it is mostly "gold and enamel" with a narrow band of iron.

There is a nice on here. http://www.comune.monza.mi.it/ns/latuacitta/turismo/duomo/html/la_corona_ferrea.html Don't know about copyright and such. /roger.duprat.denmark

Unexpectedly erudite for Ahab?

The article states:

A surprising image of the Iron Crown figures in Chaper 37 "Sunset" of Herman Melville's Moby-Dick. The brief chapter is devoted to Captain Ahab's soliloquy. Among his delusions of persecution and of grandeur, he imagines himself crowned with the Iron Crown of Lombardy, an unexpectedly erudite touch for Ahab, though perhaps not for Melville.

This seems fairly POV to me, if not dead wrong. As far as I can tell from my reading, Ahab isn't obviously stupid enough for us to call his allusion "unexpectedly erudite", especially since the whole section is rather poetic. I've deleted the questionable text.

Starwiz 01:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Missing links

It says two links are *documented* lost. So it figures they'd have to shorten the inner band, the one made from the nails of the cross. Anyone knows what happened to the pieces? If the loss is documented, maybe someone knows. /roger.duprat.denmark

How can one say the loss of the links is documented without knowing/giving the documentation? And yes, I wondered about having to shorten the iron band as well. That sounds like someone who didn't understand that it might be a votive crown and made up a story for it being smaller than a normal crown.69.42.41.139 (talk) 03:08, 5 February 2012 (UTC)HistoryLunatic[reply]

Probably the band (that's made of silver) was not even present first than the loss. Infact the hinged construction serves to ensure that the crown takes the shape of the head on which it is placed, making it comfortable and stable, hardest thing for a simply round crown, but this peculiarity is negated by the presence of a fixed circle. The band is said to be placed by the goldsmith Antellotto Bracciforte, that restored the crown in 1345, after that the loss of two plates made impossibile for the crown to mantain the shape (infact the hinges of two adjacent plates, those at the back in the picture, appear badly torn, and only the circle holds them together http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Iron_Crown.JPG ). Of course the goldsmith, if requested, could rebuild the hinges, and even the missing plates, but this would require a much greater expense than adding a few ounces of silver, and of course the Cathedral of Monza did not want to spend that much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.49.19.48 (talk) 10:45, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Euro dates per Wiki style?

Since this is an article of primarily European interest, shouldn't it use the European (international default) date format (day month year) per Wiki style? Yeng-Wang-Yeh (talk) 17:51, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Was Charlemagne 'crowned' King of Lombardy?

There are no contemporary accounts of the ritual used at Charlemagne's inauguration as King of the Lombards and from what we know from the writings of Paul the Deacon, the kings of the Lombards were inaugurated as kings by being presented with sacred lance (indeed the pagan Lombard kings took the name of their family/dynasty from the lance of Odin) and were then elevated on a shield and acclaimed, the common Germanic way of inaugurating a new king. Lord Twining notes that there is no clear evidence of the use of the Icon Crown for the coronation of the kings of Italy until the end of the 13th or beginning of the 14th century and earlier depictions of the cororations of the kings of Italy show a crown of a different design than that of the Iron Crown. He also notes the after several examinations of the historical data by the Papal Curia in the late 17th and early 18th centuries could not come to a definite conclusion as to the historical authenticity of the claim that the Iron Crown is in fact the same crown St. Helena is said to have had made for Constantine containing one of the nails of Christ's crucifixion. It only 'permitted' the public veneration of the Iron Crown, although the Archbishop of Milan subsequently publicly proclaimed the authenticity of the Iron Crown embodying one of the nails of the crucifixion67.52.199.50 (talk) 21:47, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the suburbs of Milan...

Monza is not "in the suburbs of Milan". It is a city in its own right. I'm correcting the text to read "outside Milan".

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– Misleading name, there is only one Iron Crown and most of the rest is named after it. See also Italian Wikipedia name which is correct [1]. It was used for the Kingdom of the Lombards but later for the Kings of Italy in whatever form. Current article with that name should be moved as a disambiguation. See also Order of the Iron Crown, which is correctly named. Gryffindor (talk) 18:07, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support. See Oxford Reference and this ngram. 99to99 (talk) 03:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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