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Unlock please 2001:48F8:9:1E7:0:0:0:EB36 (talk) 00:50, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Per WP:OVERLINK, please remove the links to castle, tower (common easily understood words) and Magic (Harry Potter) (already linked to in the first sentence of the article):

"A huge, rambling, quite scary-looking castle, with a jumble of towers and battlements. Like the Weasleys' house, it isn't a building that Muggles could build, because it is supported by magic." 212.36.169.245 (talk) 15:22, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks! Cocobb8 (talk) 15:40, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article Review

The Lead

There is not a reference to Hogwarts being a setting for the movies, only for the book series. This detail would make sense, considering the first photo and “First appearance” are connected to the films.
The detail “for students aged eleven to eighteen” makes the lead too detailed. Also, it is mentioned again under Academics and Traditions, which seems to be a more appropriate place for it.

Content

The photo- I was a little confused to see this version of Hogwarts when I first opened up this article. The article could use a more iconic/ easily recognized image of Hogwarts instead of the studio model.
There is too much detail in many sections of this article. It looks more like a fan page than an encyclopedia page.
- Under the description of the Gryffindor House, there are details regarding the entrance to the Gryffindor common room that are unnecessary for the article— “(…) when Sirius Black tried forcing entry into the tower, only to be blocked by The Fat Lady after he could not give the correct password. In the first book, Neville Longbottom tends to forget the password and must wait near the painting until other Gryffindors arrive to open the way. “

~~~~Bert Dinkles Bert Dinkles (talk) 05:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Engl 221 Introduction to Technical and Professional Communication

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 January 2024 and 22 March 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Bert Dinkles (article contribs). Peer reviewers: TheRevenantTwo.

— Assignment last updated by EMEEdits (talk) 19:27, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bert Dinkles (talk) 18:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)== Is there a better place for scene summary? ==[reply]

I’m wondering if a lot of detailed scenes throughout the article could be better used on platforms like Muggle Net? For example, under the section Room of Requirement, there’s a lot of detail regarding every instance the room was used. I don’t want to cut these passages completely from the online world but I strongly suggest we remove them from the Wikipedia article and find a more appropriate alternative.

Example of the passages in question:

Dumbledore is the first to mention the room, noting that he discovered it at five-thirty in the morning, filled with chamber pots when he was trying to find a toilet. However, Dumbledore did not appear to know the Room's secrets. Dobby later told Harry of the Room in detail and admitted to frequently bringing Winky to the room to cure her bouts of Butterbeer-induced drunkenness, finding it full of antidotes and a "nice elf-sized bed". Filch was said to find cleaning supplies here when he had run out; when Fred and George needed a place to hide, it would appear as a broom cupboard. Trelawney also makes a habit of using it to hide her empty sherry bottles after she is sacked in Order of the Phoenix. It would seem that when one wishes to hide something it produces the same room for everyone: the Room of Hidden Things, which is full of many centuries worth of abandoned objects, such as broken furniture, books, and in one case a dead quintaped (for more information see Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them), which were presumably forgotten by their owners.

Harry learns of the room's abilities from Dobby in Order of the Phoenix, finding it the perfect location for his Dumbledore's Army meetings, during which it is filled with bookcases full of Defence Against the Dark Arts volumes, many different kinds of Dark Detectors, and a plethora of floor cushions for practising defensive spells. When the D.A. is betrayed, the room is left open, and Pansy Parkinson is able to retrieve the list of members of the organisation. In Half-Blood Prince Harry uses the Room of Hidden Things to stash his copy of Advanced Potion-Making, describing it as the size of a large cathedral and packed to overflowing with items hidden by Hogwarts inhabitants over the years, such as old potions, clothing, ruined furniture, an old tiara (which happens to be one of Voldemort's Horcruxes), or books which are "no doubt banned or graffitied or stolen". He later realises that Draco has been using the room in this state to hide and repair the Vanishing Cabinet to use it to smuggle Death Eaters into Hogwarts. Ironically, while Harry tries many times to get into the Room of Requirement to see what Draco is doing, the only time he succeeds to get into the room (and he is not thinking about Draco), he gains access to the room where Malfoy has been working.

In Deathly Hallows, the students who need a place to hide from the Carrows, two Death Eater professors, use the room. It is also revealed that the Room of Requirement's current version can change while still occupied, though should a completely different version be required (e.g. the Room of Hidden Things instead of DA Headquarters) the room must be empty. The Room can also answer to the desire of the wizard within the room, such as providing Harry with a whistle when he needed one during a Dumbledore's Army meeting, or creating a passage to the Hog's Head (as the room cannot produce food). Later, Ravenclaw's diadem is found to be one of Voldemort's Horcruxes and has been hidden in the Room of Hidden Things by Voldemort. Harry, Ron, and Hermione enter the Room, with Harry knowing that he must look for a place to hide things, and find the tiara; but they are ambushed by Draco, Crabbe and Goyle. The diadem is finally destroyed when Crabbe fills this version of the Room with what Hermione believes to have been Fiendfyre; a destructive magical fire. It is not known if the room continues to function after the events of Deathly Hallows; Ron expresses concern that it may have been ruined in all of its forms by the cursed fire Bert Dinkles (talk) 18:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Bert DinklesBert Dinkles (talk) 19:47, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit out excessive details

Under the description of the Gryffindor House, there are details regarding the entrance to the Gryffindor common room that are unnecessary for the article— “(…) when Sirius Black tried forcing entry into the tower, only to be blocked by The Fat Lady after he could not give the correct password. In the first book, Neville Longbottom tends to forget the password and must wait near the painting until other Gryffindors arrive to open the way. “ Bert Dinkles (talk) 18:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)Bert Dinkles Bert Dinkles (talk) 18:33, 2 March 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bert Dinkles (talk • contribs) 18:33, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Under the Ravenclaw section, cut— “Professor McGonagall, the head of the Gryffindor House, solves the riddle accurately.”

Bert Dinkles (talk) 18:42, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chamber of Secrets— cut the following:

There are many skeletons of small animals littering the floor and even a gigantic skin shed by the Basilisk.
The film's depiction of the Chamber has snake heads in place of the pillars and Slytherin's statue is only his head. Rowling reveals in the book Harry Potter Page to Screen; The Complete Filmmaking Journey that the Chamber has flooded since its creation under unknown circumstances

Bert Dinkles (talk) 19:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Under Passages, I moved around and cut information to read smoother and add relevance.

Bert Dinkles (talk) 19:22, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I moved around information under the Admissions section

Under Admission, the information, “The letter also contains a list of supplies like spell books, uniform, and other things that the student will need. The prospective student is expected to buy all the necessary materials, normally from shops in Diagon Alley, a concealed street near Charing Cross Road in London that can be found behind the wizarding pub, The Leaky Cauldron. Students who cannot afford their supplies can receive financial aid from the school, as happened with the young orphan Tom Riddle.” Should be moved and edited to fit with the information further down, “Along with the acceptance letter, first-year students are sent a list of required equipment which includes a wand, subject books, a standard size 2 pewter cauldron, a set of brass scales, a set of glass or crystal phials, a kit of basic potion ingredients (for Potions), and a telescope (for Astronomy).” Bert Dinkles (talk) 18:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC) Bert Dinkles Bert Dinkles (talk) 18:53, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semiprotected Edit request on 19th of June 2024

In the spot in which translations of the name are documented, please add that in Finnish "tyly means rude, or unwelcoming. 2001:14BB:A4:288B:0:D:AC0A:CA01 (talk) 16:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done, unsourced. — Manticore 00:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... Source? Well how bout this? Check the name of Hogwarts in Finnish. Im finnish, and I know that its tylypahka, or rudewart in Finnish. (please excuse the different ip, I moved location 82.128.192.85 (talk) 13:41, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to say, YOU could very Well just check the name of the article, or even do a bit of research. No offese, but seems lazy to me. 82.128.192.85 (talk) 13:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be confused as to the nature of Wikipedia. "You could [...] do a bit of research" is in fact not just discouraged, but actively disallowed. Wikipedia does not publish original research. You need to provide a reliable source for additions. Magidin (talk) 15:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Holy frick. I meant that you could find a reliable source, like the finnish wikipedia page. 82.128.192.85 (talk) 09:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

not to mention, how hard is it to check one word in Finnish? 82.128.192.85 (talk) 09:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dark Arts subject at Hogwarts

The removed section included a source that highlights the chapter where Ron, Harry & Hermione meet up with Neville who explains what's going on: Amycus, the bloke, he teaches what used to be Defence Against the Dark Arts, except now it’s just the Dark Arts. We're supposed to practice the Cruciatus Curse on people who’ve earned detention... Chaheel Riens (talk) 08:50, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the message. I removed this and this because it is not explicitly stated that the class has been renamed Dark Arts. Neville doesn't say "the class has been renamed Dark Arts", or "we only practice Dark Arts without practicing defence". Neville could just be saying "now it's just the Dark Arts" to reference some or all of the content of the course, not its name. If we're going to claim in the text of articles that the class is actually renamed Dark Arts (and isn't just DADA with a lot Death Eater awfulness thrown into the curriculum), we need more explicit evidence. Please let me know if this makes sense to you. Wafflewombat (talk) 14:11, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that it could be interpreted one way, but it also could be interpreted literally that it used to be the class formally known as Defence Against the Dark Arts, except now it’s just the Dark Arts. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that it *could* be interpreted two different ways. That's not good enough for a website that provides articles based on facts. We have to back up every claim with solid evidence. If you think Neville's quote is important, we could literally use the quote:

In Deathly Hallows, Neville tells his friends that the Death Eater Amycus Carrow "teaches what used to be Defence Against the Dark Arts, except now it’s just the Dark Arts", and explains that students are "supposed to practice the Cruciatus Curse on people who’ve earned detention". Wafflewombat (talk) 14:27, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's good enough as it is, and WP:NOCON notwithstanding, it's been accepted for years. Find others to support your stance, otherwise we have an impasse. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a downside to using the quote? It doesn't have to look exactly like I wrote it. We could format it differently. Wafflewombat (talk) 22:32, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Translations

Hey folks. I removed the section "In translation" because it is merely a list of the translations of the word "Hogwarts". The Harry Potter books have been translated into 60 languages, so theoretically this section could tell us how "Hogwarts" has been translated or transcribed (or preserved) in 60 different ways. Therefore, we need to only list the translations that are particularly notable in some way. The current version of this section doesn't do that. I will provide a link here to the edit, so it will be easy for anyone to review. If you disagree with my choice to remove the section, please leave a comment and we can discuss. Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 16:26, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Note About this Page

Hello again! I recently put a lot work into this page, most of which involved removing excessive in-universe details that are more appropriate to a fan wiki. I added some real-world context, but the page needs a lot more. I may put more work into the page, but I also may not. I wanted to leave this note as context for the next person who wants to improve the page. Please feel free to reach out to me with any questions. Wafflewombat (talk) 02:27, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]